Comments on: OLD VERSION: socialist governments and cooptation http://anarchowhat.blogsome.com/2008/01/10/socialist-governments-and-cooptation/ yes, this is what I do for fun Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:39:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Administrator http://anarchowhat.blogsome.com/2008/01/10/socialist-governments-and-cooptation/#comment-63 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:14:38 +0000 http://anarchowhat.blogsome.com/2008/01/10/socialist-governments-and-cooptation/#comment-63 For some reason I didn't get the email saying I needed to moderate replies. I just saw yours which is useful. In the various re-edits I ended up doing exactly what you said in 1. With 2 I want to do that (and talk about the role anarchists can play in movements which are not clean from the perspective of the state). The third point is interesting, and something worth going into. I guess I was ignoring that to simplify, but I see now why it is incomplete. This is the problem I find with writing on these issues, it seems impossible to be brief. For some reason I didn’t get the email saying I needed to moderate replies. I just saw yours which is useful.

In the various re-edits I ended up doing exactly what you said in 1. With 2 I want to do that (and talk about the role anarchists can play in movements which are not clean from the perspective of the state). The third point is interesting, and something worth going into. I guess I was ignoring that to simplify, but I see now why it is incomplete. This is the problem I find with writing on these issues, it seems impossible to be brief.

]]> by: Wayne http://anarchowhat.blogsome.com/2008/01/10/socialist-governments-and-cooptation/#comment-60 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:40:11 +0100 http://anarchowhat.blogsome.com/2008/01/10/socialist-governments-and-cooptation/#comment-60 (1) Your essay is good and makes an important point, but, as you say, it covers too much. I would suggest cutting down the examples, chose one country and focus your analysis on that, going into more detail. (2) It might also be improved if you discussed alternatives to the state-socialist program (which in practice always becomes state capitalist). In Venezuela, for example, it is not enough to just reject the statist program of Chavism. The poor and working class have illusions in Chavez. How can they be won away from them? (3) Of course, I agree with your analysis. I might add that statism in the oppressed nations is due to a layer from middle class which tries to accumulate capital by partially blocking and managing the interactions with the world market. (1) Your essay is good and makes an important point, but, as you say, it covers too much. I would suggest cutting down the examples, chose one country and focus your analysis on that, going into more detail.
(2) It might also be improved if you discussed alternatives to the state-socialist program (which in practice always becomes state capitalist). In Venezuela, for example, it is not enough to just reject the statist program of Chavism. The poor and working class have illusions in Chavez. How can they be won away from them?
(3) Of course, I agree with your analysis. I might add that statism in the oppressed nations is due to a layer from middle class which tries to accumulate capital by partially blocking and managing the interactions with the world market.

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